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realthog ([personal profile] realthog) wrote2008-07-21 07:58 pm

a question of visuals



The good news for the day is that the vile Radovan Karadzic has finally been captured (and, to their enormous credit, by the Serbian authorities themselves rather than by any external/international organization).

While reading the Beeb's report on this and letting out the occasional cheer, I was struck afresh by how normal Karadzic seems -- at least in photographs. I could see him slotting happily into my circle of friends, if only at the nice-chap-I-met-down-the-pub level:

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In short, he looks like the kind of guy you might imagine bumping into and having an interesting conversation with -- perhaps even a professionally unsound but highly enjoyable game of pool. Hell, on the face of it, I'd buy him a pint any time. He most certainly doesn't look like the kind of person who'd order, or at the very least condone, some of the worst acts of mass murder Europe has seen in the decades since the end of WWII.

Hm. He appears like the kind of fellow you'd be happy to share a beer with.

American voters might want to think about this one.
 

[identity profile] fledgist.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
The first time I met a killer, he was helping a friend change a tyre. He was quite affable. When I was formally introduced to him, a couple of years later he was most polite. Another murderer I've known was a kindly old gentleman, who was very solicitous of the welfare of young ladies.

As to the dragons of Manhattan, I got the book, inscribed 'All best'.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)

I'm glad to hear the book reached you safely!

[identity profile] louismaistros.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
It is certainly a happy day with this monster in custody.

He does look normal. Of course, you chould say that about Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and most other famous homicidal maniacs of our time. And you could say that about our current president as well. But yes, usually the genocidal maniacs have a certain look of crazy about them: Hitler, Amin, Sadam, etc... Very bizarre fashion sense, all.

BTW, I feel the need to tell you that I find your "tags" endlessy entertaining. :)

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)

I do realize that the worst psychopaths tend to look just like the rest of us (and that often people who look like psychopaths turn out to be the kindest and gentlest of souls!), but Karadzic's appearance conveys unusually strongly the illusion of someone sensitive and interesting.

My real point was, of course, that people who vote according to who they think they'd like a beer with are likely to end up with a Karadzic . . . or a Bush, who, to judge by body-count alone, is of course far worse than Karadzic.

[identity profile] louismaistros.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I absolutely agree. It is really hard to look at that face and think "monster." On the other hand, Bush's weasely eyes have always given me the creeps.

And this mentality of judgment by appearance is so readily embraced by the media that it makes the media itself very, very dangerous.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)

"On the other hand, Bush's weasely eyes have always given me the creeps."

Ditto! But for a while I told myself crossly not to judge him by appearances . . . about a week, I think.

"And this mentality of judgment by appearance is so readily embraced by the media that it makes the media itself very, very dangerous."

Very much agreed. And they promote the imbecility of the public's "like to have a beer with her/him" judgements -- as witness all that drivel about Obama not being good at bowling and his preference for pool being "elitist".

[identity profile] louismaistros.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
On the upside, Obama scored an awesome foul shot, nothing but net, in front of our troops in Iraq the other day.

I know, it's wrong of me to care, and I don't really, but at least it's some positive drivel for the mindless media hordes to latch onto for a while.

My contempt for modern media knows no bounds. I can go on and on about this.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 01:19 am (UTC)(link)

"On the upside, Obama scored an awesome foul shot, nothing but net, in front of our troops in Iraq the other day."

I've missed a lot of news the past week or ten days, because my daughter's been visiting from the UK. Do tell me more about this! Enough, anyway, for me to google the story. Pretty please.

[identity profile] louismaistros.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
Y'know, I haven't been watching the "regular" news either lately. Saw this on the "real" news sources, which are actually comedy shows: The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.

Apparently, the "regular" news shows aren't too interested if it isn't embarassing (I thought that was the job of the comedy shows!) How typical. I couldn't find anything on CNN about this.

I did, of course, locate it on youtube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExOQRLuWGhc

And apparently he's done it before, in 2007:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=daH0ltD20A0

This they don't cover, but a lousy bowling score is big news.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)

Many (and belated) thanks for the links!

PS

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I meant to say that, in a similar vein, you might be entertained by this: http://www.dailykos.com:80/storyonly/2008/7/26/7814/41177/70/557248

[identity profile] bobhowe.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
Funny, I thought the same thing (and have every time I see a picture of Karadzic). Ratko Mladic, on the other hand, does look as though he's assembled from hagfish parts.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)

The alarming thing is that, if you follow the link hutch0 gives in the comment immediately after yours, you find out how Karadzic looked in his hippy disguise. I know for an absolute cast-iron dubious factoid that I've seen this guy in the dealer room at UK sf conventions . . . Next time I do so I'll have to challenge him!

[identity profile] bobhowe.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 11:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I saw that picture. He wouldn't look out of place cadging quarters in a tie-dyed tee shirt outside the Albertsons in Eugene.

[identity profile] hutch0.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, poet, psychiatrist, physiotherapist, statesman, mass murderer, and, apparently, practitioner of alternative medicine...

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)

"No, ma'am, that's not a typo in the sign outside. It really should read 'homopathy'."

[identity profile] hutch0.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
They interviewed Martin Bell about Karadzic on The World At One this lunchtime, and the impression I got was that you definitely would not have enjoyed his company. If I recall correctly, `barking mad' was one of Bell's kinder descriptions of him.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)

`barking mad' was one of Bell's kinder descriptions of him

Well, perhaps I'd have enjoyed playing cricket with him, then!

[identity profile] hutch0.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Although he always struck me as someone who would dispute an umpire's decision with an AK-47.

[identity profile] hutch0.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
:-)
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Why in heck is whether or not you'd like to have a beer with someone a valid criterian for choosing the POTUS?

I bet that wasn't a criterian during Prohibition elections -- talk about social engineering that failed.

Love, C.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)

"Why in heck is whether or not you'd like to have a beer with someone a valid criterian for choosing the POTUS?"

My point precisely. But it got Il Buce "elected" twice.
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[identity profile] quilterbear.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I worked in a prison as a counselor and my favorite inmate was a man who was in for murder. Really great guy to talk to. You'd have never guessed from his face that he was capable of the murder he committed.

[identity profile] realthog.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 01:17 am (UTC)(link)

I can imagine. My ex-father in law was a psychiatrist, and among his patients was the serial killer Dennis Nilsen (sp?). Donald told me Nilsen was the most charming, intelligent and humorous of men, and was extremely popular in the high-security hospital where he was incarcerated. A similar picture emerged from the book about Nilsen, called something like Killing for Company.
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[identity profile] quilterbear.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
I found that my favorite inmates were those in for murder/homicide or child sexual abuse. My least favorites were burglars. I guess you have to be charming to commit such atrocities against others -- such as, being very kind to lure children in... as a survivor of abduction and child sexual abuse, it was abhorant for me to have them on my case load, but truly, they were the easiest to work with. Go figure.